GROUP ONE: CHAPTERS 1-11

10/21/2010

1. Huck and Tom are foils (characters that contrast each other). How does Tom represent the romantic ideals of literature and fiction? How does Huck represent the realist movement in literature? Use examples from the text to support your answer. This may be a lengthy answer. THIS QUESTION MAY REQUIRE SOME RESEARCH ON YOUR PART--MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE ROMANTIC AND REALIST MOVEMENTS BEFORE ANSWERING!

2. Analyze Judge Thatcher’s reactions to Huck’s request to take his money. Why did the judge exchange one dollar for six-thousand dollars? Was he cheating Huck? Explain your answer, using textual clues to help your explanation.

3. Miss Watson could sell Jim for eight hundred dollars. He, therefore, feels rich because he owns himself. Explain Twain’s use of satire (LOOK THIS TERM UP IF YOU ARE NOT SURE WHAT IT MEANS) in Jim’s statement. What was Twain’s attitude toward slavery in this passage? Explain your answer, using support from the text to provide proof for your opinion.

38 Comments

ryan smith

3/27/2011 11:22:41 am

question 2

Judge Thatcher looks at Huck confused and in a very questionable way. The judge tries to question Huck but Huck told him to just take it. The judge didnt want the transaction to look bad so he gave Huck a dollar to make it look as if Huck is selling him property. On page 14 it says how the judge look puzzled at Huck as Huck told him to just take the money.

ryan smith

3/27/2011 12:21:07 pm

question 3

On page 35, Jim talks about how Miss Watson was "gwyne to sell him down to Orleans for eight hund'd dollars". Twains use of satire was very commical, in somewhat of a since to get the reader to understand what the character is thinking and feeling. Twain uses exact dialogue that would come from someone like Jim. In the passage, you can see that Twain feels slavery is all about trade and money. Miss Watson's whole idea was to get rid of Jim in order to make a profit and said on page 35.

Kimberly Carpenter

3/28/2011 09:25:05 am

question 1:
Huck Finn is the more realistic character, because he is trustworthy and an honest person. but I think Tom is the more romantic character because he has a huge imagination and loves adventure.

Kimberly Carpenter

3/28/2011 09:29:53 am

question 2:
to me, Judge Thatcher didnt cheat him. I think he was only helping him and huck told Thatcher not to ask him any questions so that he wouldnt have to lie. Thatcher gave him a dollar, saying "he bought his property" (pg.14)

Kimberly Carpenter

3/28/2011 09:43:28 am

I do not think Mark Twain is a racist writer.He is honest because he tells us
about how bad slavery and racism was back in that particular time period.I think if he didnt say the things he did, then we wouldnt understand how it affected people then.I believe Twain was against slavery.

Kimberly Carpenter

3/28/2011 09:46:18 am

reply to Ryan-question 2:
I agree that Judge Thatcher didnt want the transaction to look bad so he gave him a dollar. But I believe that he was helping Huck because Huck didnt want him to ask questions about anything.

Elyssia Ingram

3/28/2011 10:18:11 am

Judge Thatcher is an honest man and very understanding. I think Huck makes him confused as to why he is giving his savings to him. Huck doesn't want to explain because he'll lie if he does so he tells the judge not to question him. Because Huck was giving the money to Thatcher, Thatcher didn't see a problem with it. He paid him a dollar for being generous and sent him on his way. I don't fully understand why Huck gave all his money to the judge so I'm not entirely sure if he was cheated or not.

Elyssia Ingram

3/28/2011 10:21:54 am

the question above is to question 2.

Elyssia Ingram

3/28/2011 10:33:32 am

Question 3

On page 35 Mrs. Watson is talking about selling Jim for money which leads him to believe that he is worth a lot. So he walks around with the heir that he owns the world and he is as rich as he can be.Twain isn't racist and explains his points of view in the 3rd person. He talks how the characters talk and sends the message out that we can live in equality together, no matter the race.

Elyssia Ingram

3/28/2011 10:39:30 am

Question 1

Huck is realistic because he tells the truth and tries to avoid getting in trouble. Tom is more romantic because he is full of adventure and very boisterous.

cara saxton link

3/28/2011 11:25:34 am

Huck is a very trust worthy and honest and staright forward character. Tom is the more romantic character because he has a huge imagination and loves the adventure.

Abbey Byrd

3/28/2011 11:26:15 am

Question 1:
Huck represents the realist in this literature because he can determine the difference between good, bad, wrong and right. He has good morals and knows the reality of things. Huck makes the right decisions at the right time. He is a good person. Referring back to the book, in chapter 11, when Huck went back to the town to Mrs. Judith Loftus’ he found out that there was a reward for whoever turned Jim in. Huck could have turned him in but he didn’t and he didn’t care what people would think of him. Tom represents the romantic ideals of literature because Tom reads novels and gets all kind of crazy ideas from these books to act out. He is very adventurous and seems like a leader because he lead the boys so called “gang” making up all the rules and everything.

Question 2
Judge Thatcher seemed confused when Huck told him he was going to give him all his money but Huck didn’t want the judge to ask any questions. The Judge gave him a dollar for Huck’s six-thousand dollars because they made an agreement that it was like Huck was selling him his property. I don’t think Huck was cheated I just think that the Judge really didn’t have any time to react because the judge wanted to know why he was trying to give him all his money but Huck wouldn’t tell him.

Question 3
Jim feels like he is rich because Miss Watson was going to sell him and he ran away before she could sell him. Therefore, he owns himself which makes him rich. I feel like Twain kind of makes a makes a mockery of slavery. He thinks its idiotic because you own yourself, no one owns you. Back then they treated blacks as if they were property and would sell them. Now we look back on how dumb that is because you cannot sell a person.

Abbey Byrd

3/28/2011 11:32:53 am

reply to Kimberly, Q1:
I agree with you, Huck is a realistic character because he is trustworthy and honest. When he dressed up like a girl and went to Mrs. Judith Loftus house and she realized he was not a girl. He got nervous because i dont think he liked lying to her. Tom does have a huge imagination with the help of his novels. He is very creative.

Emily Clark

3/28/2011 11:36:34 am

Question #1

Tom is more of a romantic character in the novel because is very adventurous and believes everything that is happy and sad in a book. Like in chapters 2 and 3 when he is telling the boys of pirates, arabs, camels and elephants. In contrast Huck is more of a realistic character who sees things as they are. He has been shaped by his envioronment and knows lifes hardships very well. When Tom mentions a genie in chapter 3 and says that they have to obey whoever rubs their lamp Huck comes back by saying that if he was as big as a house he wouldn't let a little person boss him around.

Abbey Byrd

3/28/2011 11:36:35 am

reply to ryan Q2:

I agree, I think Judge Thatcher was confused as to why Huck was giving him all of him money. Huck didnt want to answer any questions. So Judge Thatcher did give him a dollar for it all because it was like he was paying Huck for his property. I feel like he didnt have time to react and he was in shock.

cara saxton link

3/28/2011 11:38:19 am

I don't believe he is trying to cheat him out of anything I just think he is confused. Judge Thatcher is an honest man and very understanding. I think Huck makes him confused as to why he is giving his savings to him.

cara saxton link

3/28/2011 11:41:39 am

On page 35, Jim talks about how Miss Watson was "gwyne to sell him down to Orleans for eight hund'd dollars". Twains use of satire was very commical, in somewhat of a since to get the reader to understand what the character is thinking and feeling. Jim feels like he is rich because Miss Watson was going to sell him and he run away before she could sell him.

Emily Clark

3/28/2011 11:48:11 am

Question #2

Judge Thatcher trades Huck a dollar for six thousand dollars because he sensses that Huck has a meaning behind his suggestion. Even though at the time he is not aware that Huck's father is back in town he can tell that something is bothering Huck. So to make it seem legal he writes on a peice of scrap paper that Huck sold him his fortune and in the spirit he gives him a dollar. On page 14 the judge says "Oho-o! I think I see." Which shows that he sinces the uneasyness of Huck's proposition. He is not trying to cheat Huck he is making a fake deal look authentic.

cara saxton

3/28/2011 11:48:45 am

~reply to Abbey Q2
I agree with you Abbey that the judge is very confused. But he is not cheating him out of anything.

~reply to Kimberly Q1
I agree with you, Huck is a realistic character because he is trustworthy and honest.

~reply to Abbey Q3
I agree with Abbey on question three, he does feel like he is rich because she wants to sell him down for 800 dollars.

Emily Clark

3/28/2011 12:01:40 pm

Question #3

In Jim's statement he says that he feels rich because he owns himself when in reality he is owned by Miss Watson and therefore is not free to own himself. It is also ironic that he wants to be free and no longer owned but he wouldn't feel free if he didn't OWN himself. In this passage on page 35 JIm tells Huck of how Miss Watson always picks on him and swore she would never sell him down to Orleans. However, Jim notices a slave trader in town and thens her say that she was going to sell him. In this passage Twain shows the harsh mental and emotional treatment of slaves and how slave owners break all of their promises.

ryan smith

3/28/2011 12:04:38 pm

question 1,

Huck represents the realist movement in the literature because he is very realistic and he can be trusted. When Mrs. Loftus mentioned the reward for the person who turned in Jim, Huck didn't budge. He promised Jim he would help him and that is what he did. Tom represents the romantic movement in the literature because he pretty much bases his life of books and novels. He is full of adventure and was also the leader of the "Tom Sawyer Gang".He was quite unpredictable. You just didnt know what the adventurous Tom Sawyer might do next.

Emily Clark

3/28/2011 12:06:56 pm

Reply to Abby #1

I agree with Huck's response in chapter 11. He is aware of the reward and the consequences he could face for not turning Jim in. Although he was raised around slavery and even makes the comment of being called a "low-down abolitionist" he keeps his promise to Jim. This shows his morals, and even though he lies he does keep his promises.

Emily Clark

3/28/2011 12:12:18 pm

Reply to Abbey #2

I agree that the Judge didn't have time to think about and react to Huck's proposition and therefore just made an agreement to appease him for the time being. I think he could tell something was bothering and looked at the "trade" as a way of helping him.

Emily Clark

3/28/2011 12:16:04 pm

Reply to Ryan #3

I agree that Twain is trying to show that Miss Watson is focused on making a profit. He talks about how she promised Jim she would never sell him down to Orleans. However, when she is offered six thousand dollars she tells the widow that she can't refuse this offer and how it is just too tempting. So to keep from being sold Jim runs away.

Thomas Carota

3/28/2011 12:19:01 pm

Question 1:

Tom Sawyer represents romantic literature in many ways as well as Huck Finn shows realist movement in literature. In Chapters 2 and 3 when the gang meets up and forms Tom tells everyone the stories about the elephants and other animals. In a way he makes them feel better but still has a rough and tough attitude toward the gang. In contrast Huck just tries to be himself and help others out. It says in Chapter 3 that he likes to go the woods to think and clear up his head. Also, in Chapter 11 Ms. Loftus tells him that there is a reward for the capture of Jim. Huck doesn't budge because he wants to help his friend in which he is an abolitionist. Which is ironic in this time period since everyone was pro-slavery. This represents the realist movement in literature for Huck Finn as well as romantic literature in Tom Sawyer.

Thomas Carota

3/28/2011 12:28:45 pm

Question 2:

Judge Thatcher was extremely suprised to see that Huck told him to keep the $6000. So suprised in fact that on page 14 Judge Thatcher asks Huck, "Well, I'm puzzled. Is something the matter? He makes the deal look legal by having Huck sign away his money as spiritual selling his property to Judge Thatcher for one dollar. He is not cheating Huck because Huck signed the paper and Huck told him that he didn't want anything to do with the money. He was just simply going along with Huck's plan.

Thomas Carota

3/28/2011 12:34:35 pm

Question 3:

It is ironic that Jim would therefore own himself because in reality he would not really own himself. He is really owned by Miss. Watson. But in Chapter 10 it says Jim noticed there was a slave buyer in town as well as Jim overhearing Miss Watson saying she may sell his. Slaves were treated were cruelfully in this time period and Twain shows the use of satire to show the importance of their treatment

ryan smith

3/28/2011 12:36:07 pm

reply to kimberly; question 3

I agree with Kimberly that Twain may have somewhat been a racist writer but honestly if he hadnt written it how he did, then we wouldnt understand exactly how rascism was back in the Huck Finn days. Twain is very open about how he feels and it shows the impact that slavery had on some people.

Thomas Carota

3/28/2011 12:38:33 pm

Reply to Emily, Question 1:

I completely agree with your thoughts on Tom and Huck along with romantic and realist literature. Tom has a soft spot and he shows it to the gang in Chapters 2 and 3, as well as a tough guy spot that he also shows to the gang. I also agree in your thoughts about Huck and the genie because he tries to act tough around everyone else but I believe he has a soft spot to him as well.

Ashley Beckham

3/28/2011 12:41:45 pm

Question 1:

Tom relates more to the romantic ideals of literature because he has more of an imagination. He is more willing to believe in the impossible and in the things that others cant see. He believes that what he reads in his fairy tale books are true. "...I've seen it in books; and so of course thats what we've got to do." (pg.7)
Huck is more of a realist because he doesnt believe things as easily and he likes to have a logical explanation for the unknown. Huck says. "I thought it over for two or three days, and then I reckoned I would see if there was anything in it." (pg.11)

Question 2:

I believe Judge Thatcher is trying to help Huck, not cheat him out of his money. He likes Huck and I think he can sense Huck's urgency in his offering the money to him. He gives Huck a dollar for his six thousand dollars to make Hucks offer legal in the eyes of others. Thatcher says, "...That means I have bought it of you and paid you for it." (pg. 14)

Question 3:

In the book Jim tells Huck he feels rich because Miss Watson had the chance to sell him for 800 dollars. In reality Jim isnt rich, he is just another slave being sold. It is also ironic that he wants to be free and no longer owned but he wouldn't feel free if he didn't own himself. I believe that Twain is showing the way slaves were treated and traded. I believe he acts indifferently in this passage; as a person on the outside looking in on the situation.

Thomas Carota

3/28/2011 12:43:32 pm

Reply to Abbey, Question 2:

I agree with you on the fact that Judge Thatcher was very confused as to why Huck wants to give all his money away. He therefore also has no time to react as well as Huck wanting him to ask no questions. So he makes it seem legal by getting Huck to sign a piece of paper stating him selling as his property for one dollar.

Thomas Carota

3/28/2011 12:47:05 pm

Reply to Ryan, Question 3:

I agree with you in a sense that Miss Watson just wanted to get rid of Jim to make a profit. Twain is showing exact dialogue to show the fact of how slaves were treated in this time period. People didn't care about them. They thought of slaves as property, nothing more, nothing less. Slavery was all about trade and money, especially is this time period.

ryan smith

3/28/2011 12:53:03 pm

reply to abbey; question 2

I agree with abbye that the judge was confused because he really had no time to react to Huck's offer; Huck just kind of threw it at him. He gave Huck the dollar to make it looked as if Huck sold the property instead of just givnig it away.

ryan smith

3/28/2011 12:56:34 pm

reply to emily; question 1

I agree with Emily as to why Tom represents the romantic movemnet in the literautre. He tells the boys in his gang about the arabs and camels in chapters 2 and 3. He life is pretty much an adventure in a book.

Ashley Beckham

3/28/2011 12:58:43 pm

I typed my replys and hit submit but it deleted them. I dont feel like typing them twice in a row....

Kimberly Carpenter

3/28/2011 10:05:51 pm

reply to Elyssia Q1

I agree with you that Huck is very trustworthy. Tom believes everything he reads in books, and everyone else listens to him and asks him questions and when he says where he read them at, he says he read it in a book.

Mallory

4/10/2011 01:57:13 pm

Question 1: Tom represents the romantic ideals of literature because he sees the fantasy in life. Things that most of us find 'romantic' (unimaginable feats of adventure and excitement) fuel him to take on the world. He makes everyday life something to brag about. Many of us, like Huck, stray from these situations. Though we find curiosity and spontaneousness in 'romantic ides' we mostly see in black and white. Generally our consciouses are in control and the choose right over wrong and safety over adventure. Huck is a REAList because he sees things as REALity. He knows when adventure goes too far. Most of us are realistic. Instead of choosing the romantic, euphoric option, we sit down and look at the truth. The realistic era in history was a time of REAL art that showed life around Americans. As Abby noted above Huck makes the right decision by not turning Jim in as a runaway slave. Though at that time abolition was highly looked down upon, his conscious assures him the Jim is his friend and worth keeping quite about.

Question 2: I think Judge Thatcher is cheating Huck because he is intelligent enough to realize that it was a large sum of money and he didn't even question Huck's motives. I believe his conscious was somewhat guilty because he offers Huck a single dollar. On the other hand Thatcher did save Huck's money from being wasted by his father and Huck DID ask him to have. In fact, Thatcher had kept good care of Huck's money and hadn't tried to con him.

Question 3: Satire is a type of literary device that is often sarcastic and means to invoke change. I think Twain, who was himself and abolitionist, wants the reader to view what Jim says and see the reality in the life of a slave. This use of satire helps to open our eyes because through it we see Jim as a person, rather than slave, who is almost optimistic and insightful. Though many people may see Jim as unintelligent for this remark, I applaud him for thinking outside-the-box and see his character begin to develop.

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